Atheists Have No Morals

So atheists have no morals, yet those who follow God (usually meaning Yahweh) have a moral compass to guide them. Have these “pastors” even read the Bible? The God of the Old Testament is personally responsible for the most horrific crimes in the history of fiction. Let’s run through a short list of atrocities God is personally responsible for:

Sends Satan down to Earth for rebelling against him in Heaven, thus dooming mankind to temptation.
Is pissed the magic talking snake convinced the stupid woman to eat a fruit.
Kills every living thing in the planet is a catastrophic flood.
Destroys two cities with fire and brimstone for being wicked.
Turns Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt for having a peek at the fireworks.
Drowns the armies in opposition to his chosen people.
Kills the first born of an entire country because the Pharaoh annoyed him.
Takes human form as his own son and amazes people with magic tricks and asks everyone to be nice to each other for a change. For this he is killed.
People rejoice at the horror and wear the symbol of barbaric execution for centuries to come.
Writes a book which is so ambiguous it causes multiple divisions amongst believers leading to persecution, suffering, and wars.
Instructs people who believe in him to kill heathens where they stand, or to treat those with different sexual preferences as sub-human.

I could go on, but you get the point.

What I find particularly disgusting about Steve Harvey’s opinion is that it was not that long ago that black people could not vote, were forced onto separate buses, could not marry who they wished with complete freedom and deprived of many other basic human rights. Biblical passages were used to support this position since the Bible does not prohibit slavery – on the contrary, it actively supports it.

This idiot is now turning around and doing exactly the same thing to another minority – fucking hypocrite!

http://intensedebate.com/people/vjack vjack

I am always catching myself thinking that African Americans would be more inclined to support civil rights (e.g., same-sex marriage, atheist rights, etc.) than many seem to be. Not surprisingly, the culprit again and again turns out to be religion.

Sherry

I would have to disagree with you there. The "culprit" isn't religion, the culprit is man. God gave man free will. Funny how non-believers blame the very God they say doesn't exist, when something happens in this world. How does that work?

http://intensedebate.com/people/BabyBoomer60 BabyBoomer60

Sorry to say, but you are very misinformed about Christianity. Many of the things spoken of in the bible are written in parables. I highly recommend that you actually read the bible. Pulling verses out of the bible is not the way to understand God's Word. Their is a deep history in the bible and many things were spoken of before they even happend. God gave us all free will, so you are to able to believe or not believe, that is your option. It's just ashamed that you really do not understand the bible. Check out a website called http://www.theseason.org This will give you a heads up on what the actual verses are truly about. After each verse and chapter, it explains what it actually is saying in laymen's terms. You have your right to your opinion, and I wouldn't force anyone to seek God. I just hope you would. Peace.

http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

Oh is that right?

Was Noah's flood a parable? How about the parting of the Red Sea and the subsequent drowning of the Egyptian army? Perhaps God's personal slaughter of the first born of an entire nation was a parable (and remember that the chosen people had to mark their doors with blood because God's omniscience was not working that day). Maybe God did not actually send down fire and brimstone on Soddom and Gohmorah?

Maybe Jesus didn't really heal those lepers, or feed a few people, walk on water, or rise from the dead? Perhaps that is also parable. How could you tell? If one part is parable, then other parts can be written off just as easily and it simply becomes a book of poetry – certainly not something to base your life on.

On the other hand, if you chose to interpret some passages as allegory, parable, symbolic, or poetry, then by what criteria are you making this assessment. I own a number of Bibles and none of them are marked as to which passages I can safely ignore. Whatever criteria you are using, it certainly does not come from "the good book" itself. YOU are deciding. YOU are picking and choosing the passages you like.

Oh, and I have read the Bible. A number of times. I was a Christian. I honestly believed the stories it contained. That is until I worked out it was all bullshit.

Why would I simply believe what some web site says and not think for myself? No wonder you believe in a god – you cannot think!

Let me ask you one question – could your god (being omniscient) have predicted the results of giving us free will?

http://intensedebate.com/people/BabyBoomer60 BabyBoomer60

Sorry to say, but you are very misinformed about Christianity. Many of the things spoken of in the bible are written in parables. I highly recommend that you actually read the bible. Pulling verses out of the bible is not the way to understand God's Word. Their is a deep history in the bible and many things were spoken of before they even happend. God gave us all free will, so you are to able to believe or not believe, that is your option. It's just ashamed that you really do not understand the bible. Check out a website called http://www.theseason.org This will give you a heads up on what the actual verses are truly about. After each verse and chapter, it explains what it actually is saying in laymen's terms. You have your right to your opinion, and I wouldn't force anyone to seek God. I just hope you would. Peace.
Sherry

Hello askegg,

First, I would like to say that I do not have any bones to pick with you. Like I said before, you have a right to your opinion, just as I do mine.

Secondly, I am not saying that none of those things happened, and that the entire bible is in parables. God deals with the evils in this world as He sees fit. Who are we to judge? I suggested you go to that website because it states in the bible that out of the seven churches, God said only two of them were truly teaching His Word. It was the church of Philladelphia, and the church of Smyrna. The website I refered you to, teaches the word of God by a student of Pastor Murray, who teaches the Word of God, verse by verse and chapter by chapter.

I won't argue with you if you no longer believe. Again, that is your choice. I'm wondering why you believed and now no longer believe? I think something major must have happened in your life that made you turn away from God, and I think that is sad. I won't bother you again if you don't want me to. I understand.
Sherry

Hello askegg,

First, I would like to say that I do not have any bones to pick with you. Like I said before, you have a right to your opinion, just as I do mine.

Secondly, I am not saying that none of those things happened, and that the entire bible is in parables. God deals with the evils in this world as He sees fit. Who are we to judge? I suggested you go to that website because it states in the bible that out of the seven churches, God said only two of them were truly teaching His Word. It was the church of Philladelphia, and the church of Smyrna. The website I refered you to, teaches the word of God by a student of Pastor Murray, who teaches the Word of God, verse by verse and chapter by chapter.

I won't argue with you if you no longer believe. Again, that is your choice. I'm wondering why you believed and now no longer believe? I think something major must have happened in your life that made you turn away from God, and I think that is sad. I won't bother you again if you don't want me to. I understand.

http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

"God deals with the evils in this world as He sees fit. Who are we to judge?"

Why can't we judge the God character on the same principles he has supposedly taught us in his book? For over half the book he kills, murders, floods, rain fire, and send plagues on humanity, then in the second half he says killing is wrong and we should love one another? Seems rather schizophrenic to me.

"I suggested you go to that website because it states in the bible that out of the seven churches, God said only two of them were truly teaching His Word. "

So which two and why?

"It was the church of Philladelphia, and the church of Smyrna."

I am pretty sure the Bible does not mention Philadelphia.

"I think something major must have happened in your life that made you turn away from God"

No great trauma. I just began to think about it.

Sherry

The church of Philladelphia and the church of Smyrna are two churches that God approved of because they taught the actual Word of God. Pastor Murry suggests that you seek out the churches in your area to find out which ones actually teach God's Word as it is written. Like is said, there are many verses that use parables. Why? Because God wants us to seek and understand His Word. Students that really want to know. The bible is our letter from God. The thing is, there are many churches out there tthat give a lot of misinformation. For example, many churches believe in the Rapture. However, nowhere in the bible does the word rapture appear. I believe it mentions the church of Philadelphia in Rev 3:6. If the Shepherds Chapel airs in your area, I highly suggest watching one of his programs. He explains everything in depth as it should be understood; verse by verse and chapter by chapter.

Sherry

Sorry, but I am only able to type so much before it tells me that I need to make it shorter.

Like I said, many of the words need to be translated from the true meaning as it was written in Hebrew and Greek. From what I can surmise, you believe God is evil, and this just isn't true. He loves all of his children. As Pastor Murray says: "He may not always like what your doing, but He always love you". If you are interested, I highly suggest going to http://www.theseason.org. Pick out a verse that is important to you and see what Pastor Murray has taught to the actual meaning. I believe you will be so glad you did. I never really quite understood Revelations that much until I watched Pastor Murray, and found the seasons.org website. I hope you check out the sites I mentioned. They really are so enlightning. Peace

http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

"From what I can surmise, you believe God is evil"

If God existed he would be evil. Fortunately, he does not exist, but I can still judge his character as portrayed in the "big book if myths"

"He loves all of his children."

It's the most bizarre form of love I have ever encountered. I would do everything within my power to prevent my children from harm, yet god refuses to exercise his power to do so. He sits idly by while floods, earthquakes, tsunamis, and diseases ravage his children, shrugs his ethereal shoulders and says "oh well, it's their choice I guess."

"Pick out a verse that is important to you and see what Pastor Murray has taught to the actual meaning"

Here's an idea – why don't you think for yourself rather than listening to the words of another? I will have a look at the site, but I don't expect much.

Sherry

I hope you do check it out, and I hope you are enlightened by this. If not, God, I, nor anyone else can force you to seek God's Word. It is your choice. You say nothing major happened in your life to one day be a Christian, and the next day you became an athiest. Then you never really did know and understand God's Word. I hope you have questions, and seek to find the answers. But if not, I will leave you be and I won't bother you again.
Sherry

Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, 'I am Christ;' and shall deceive many."

How can you make sure you are not deceived? You check it out in God's Word, and the Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek numbered dictionaries are a good place to start. Many ministers teach traditions that just don't check out what Christ said. Though their intentions are good, their doctrine will cause you to be deceived. It is your soul that is at stake here. What value do you place upon your soul?

http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

"The church of Philladelphia and the church of Smyrna are two churches that God approved of because they taught the actual Word of God."

According to who? The pastor who own/runs the church? No surprises there.

"Pastor Murry suggests that you seek out the churches in your area to find out which ones actually teach God's Word as it is written."

I quote the Bible as it's written above, but you tell me this is not the correct interpretations (that is, reading what it actually says). What makes you think any other reading is accurate. More to the point, why would God make it so difficult to decipher his word and receive eternal salvation?

"The bible is our letter from God."

It's poorly written, repetitive, hard to interpret, primitive, full of bad logic, awful arguments, and it's boring. Couldn't god do a better job?

" I believe it mentions the church of Philadelphia in Rev 3:6"

Revelations 3:6 – He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Nope. No mention of Philadelphia there. Try again?

Sherry

Do you understand that these are the seven types of churches that Jesus is calling your attention to that exist in the latter days? Remember, there are only two of them that our Lord calls His own? The first was the church at Smyrna; the church which knew all about the "Kenites", and were not deceived by them. The second church that our Lord called His own, is the next; the church of Philadelphia.
Revelation 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Phil-a-del-phi-a write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

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Dude, wrong Philadelphia. http://bibleatlas.org/philadelphia.htm

Sherry

I take back what I said, because it does seem like you have read the bible. But if you no longer believe in God, where did all of this come from? I don't understand how some can believe we evolved from an ape or a fish, yet some cannot believe we came from God (in his image)?

You asked: could your god (being omniscient) have predicted the results of giving free will? And my answer is Yes. That is the beauty of it. He wants us to love Him, but he doesn't demand it. If He did, it wouldn't mean anything to him. Who wants someone to love them if it is not truly from the heart? It's our choice. That is a gift in itself.

P.S. I don't claim to know everything there is about the bible, or God's Word. I have been a Christian all of my life, but I am still learning. If you get a chance, or if you are interensted, I hope you watch Pastor Murry. His teachings are widely televised. It is called The Shepherds Chapel. If you ever want to talk about God, I am open to discussing this. If you do not, then that is fine too. Peace.

http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

"I don't understand how some can believe we evolved from an ape or a fish,"

Ahh, because the physical evidence says so. By the way, we did NOT evolve from modern day ape of fish – we share a common ancestor with them. Oh, and we ARE apes, so we did not evolve from them. That's like saying when will a taxi become a car?

In any case, what does evolution have to do with the existence of a deity or not? It may impact on literal interpretations of the Bible, but you do not have a problem with that as evidenced by your previous statements. It's not a choice between God and evolution. In fact many people choose to interpret the Bible poetically and accept evolution. Al you have to do is say evolution is the process God uses and you're away.

"And my answer is Yes. That is the beauty of it. He wants us to love Him, but he doesn't demand it."

Hmmm. If God could predict the results, then he knew what as going to happen long before he even did anything. That's what omniscience means. If that is the case, we went ahead with a system with which many people would "knowingly" choose not to believe in him and be sentenced for eternal punishment, without God's love. How does that chime with "god is love" or "he wants you to choose"?

"Who wants someone to love them if it is not truly from the heart? It's our choice. That is a gift in itself."

I agree, but I do not know everything and did not design the system in which it would all the played out.

Sherry

Jesus Christ has only good words to say about the Philadelphia church. It is important for us to understand this verse. This church of Philadelphia held the "key of David". They knew who the "Kenites" were, thus they were able to understand all truths [hidden manna] of God's Word. That "key of David" allowed them to unlock all doors of deception laid before them by any man, and that includes Satan, or his offspring [the Kenites]. Philadelphia was and is a church of love and charity, and full of understand of all wisdom and truth in God's Word. Philadelphia's faith is made real through her works.

You need to understand that the bible was not written in english. It was interpreted in english. Many of the Hebrew and Greek words relay the message so much better. They sell a Strongs Concordance that has all of the words of the bible in it, and tells you it's meaning in Hebrew and or Greek (which ever applies).
Sherry

You asked why Pastor Murray? Because he teaches the bible and uses the Hebrew and Greek translation as it was intended before man deciphered it. If you learn the bible in this manner, it is not boring at all. Remember too, the times where different back then. They spoke differently.

In regards to Pastor Murray you stated: "According to who? The pastor who own/runs the church? No surprises there. " He sells his tapes etc.. for I think $4.00. He tells you he doesn't take prayer requests because you can pray to God and ask for yourself. He tells people if they cannot afford to tithe, then they first need to pay their rent, etc… God understands. He has many many followers of his teachings because he isn't out for the dollar, he is out to spread God's Word as it was intended to be learned. If you watch his show, I think you would be pleasantly surprised. He is not like a lot of other phonies out there.
Sherry

Jesus Christ has only good words to say about the Philadelphia church. It is important for us to understand this verse. This church of Philadelphia held the "key of David". They knew who the "Kenites" were, thus they were able to understand all truths [hidden manna] of God's Word. That "key of David" allowed them to unlock all doors of deception laid before them by any man, and that includes Satan, or his offspring [the Kenites].
Sherry

Hello askegg,

Just wondering if you have had the opportunity or desire (for that matter) to check out http://www.theseason.org, or Pasture Murray's teachings on The Shepherd's Chapel? I hope you understand I am not promoting either of these for my benefit. I just thought these may give you some insite that we all could use regarding God's Word. Peace.

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