So you’re offended? So what!

People believe a great many things.

Some people believe that rearranging furniture in your house changes the flow of energy in your life, so the correct arrangement and orientation of household items is crucial.  The correct arrangement can lead to success, health and wealth. So don’t sleep with you feet facing the door, or something.

Some people believe aliens travel for billions of light years to land next to hopeless and desperate individuals to insert probes in their anus.  I am not sure about you, but the idea of travelling across the galaxies to stare at someone’s ass is kind of odd, but then again I am not an alien.

There are others who believe the creator of the universe messed things up so badly when he gave us “free will” that he had to take human form to kill himself to make everything right again. Even then it doesn’t work unless you believe the story.  Is that the best solution God can come up with? Really?

I really don’t really care about what people believe. I don’t. If you want to live your life according to ancient superstitions, or pseudo scientific “health” remedies, or you figure the Chinese had it worked out thousands of years ago yet our modern medical profession just doesn’t get it – knock yourself out. I really don’t care.

However, if you think you have the right to enforce those beliefs on others we have a problem. When you force your beliefs on children who trust you to look after and protect them, then I sense they are being indoctrinated and told what to think, not how to think.

When you pass judgement on others for their behaviours that goes against the your silly superstitions, then I must wonder what business it is of yours.  Others don’t believe in your superstitions, so why should they live by them?

When you try to enshrine your idiotic notions of souls, demons, sin, and judgemental telepathic zombies, then we reach the rarified atmosphere of lunacy.

Want to belief these things? Great!  I won’t stop you.

If you really are concerned with protecting potential human life, then start worrying about the thousands of potential people thrown in the trash during routine In Vitro Fertilisation (IVF) procedures.

If you want to prevent human suffering, then start worrying about burn victims, heart patients, stoke and cancer patients, and alzheimer’s suffers who are among the millions of real, fully grown individuals who could benefit from stem cell research.

You have it ass backwards when you worry about potential people when real people are dying painfully and horribly.

You want to tell me there is no harm in crystal healing, taro cards, homeopathy, aroma therapy, and religion? Tell that to the never ending victims of these practices seen in the news everyday.

In the news over the past few weeks I have seen babies dying form eczema, teenagers dying from diabetes, toddlers starved to death for not saying “Amen” after prayers.  The last lot still expect the boy’s body to be resurrected a year after they stuffed him in a suitcase and put him in the garage.

Yesterday a woman cut the head off her own baby because “a demon told here to”.  I am not blaming this behaviour solely on religion – this woman is clearly and seriously mentally ill.  She needs real help, but I fear there are churches who would have given her a pointless and often violent exorcism to “cure her”. This incredibly stupid idea was held by the authors of the Bible some 2,000 years ago.

Demons caused illness and madness and bizarre religious ceremonies using important sounding dead languages, magic talismans, and a lot of shouting will drive these spirits from the body.  We have made great strides in our understanding of human biology, germ theory, bio-chemistry, and evolution in the past 2,000 years.   People have died during exorcisms and they certainly don’t cure homosexuals, and they sure as shit won’t cure illness or insanity because the act itself is totally insane!

You want some special privileges for you stupid superstitions? Well, you ain’t gonna get it from me or a growing number of people who are sick of cowing to your dumb ideas. You may can laugh at Catholics, Scientologists, Hindus, Raeliens, crystal healers, Feng Shui practitioners, palmistry experts, reflexologists, moon landing and holocaust deniers – and you would be right to do so.

Similarly, I reserve the right to laugh at your stupid ideas. Hell, I might even try to explain to your dumb ass why I think they are stupid idea, but I don’t expect you’ll listen. You didn’t get into the mess you’re in by thinking clearly, now did you?

You really want me to adopt your idea so you don’t feel lonely in your beliefs?  Show me some verifiable evidence that what you claim is actually true.  Show me physical evidence the Jesus actually walked the Earth, was crucified and flew off into Heaven (no, an empty tomb won’t do it).  Show me that crystal healing actually works, and I will ditch the medicines in my cupboard and buy a bunch of sparkly rocks.  Show me an alien space craft, not a fuzzy saucer shaped thing in the sky taken by some whacko in the desert and I might lend more credence to the idea.

If your beliefs are true, then these things should not be hard to produce.  If you can’t, then shut up, go back to our corner, and stop trying to make yourself feel better by dragging others into your delusions.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

    Thanks Shane. How are things over there. Been arrested for blasphemy yet?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

    Did you really expect a descent explanation?

    It's such a weird situation. In order not to potentially offend some group, then all conversation regarding people's beliefs must be censored and silenced. Perhaps when the Mormons come knocking on your door, scream offence and charge them with blasphemy?

  • http://www.myspace.com/thenewcharismatics Cameron

    I enjoyed your numerous typo's and spelling mistakes. Perhaps you should gather some gusto behind your editing skills before you go out and attack the misguided hordes. It isn't that your partial nihilism is completely illogical, but I'd suggest you examine the possibility that you too might be misguided based on recent historical happenstance. Consider the evolution of technology in just the past 50 years. I'm certain you'll find it to be a profound exponential acceleration compared to the previous 1000 or so years. If you recall around an eon ago the general "scientific" consensus was of the world existing as a flat plane with an edge one could literally fall off of. In my opinion you're just as misguided as any Christian or Scientologist perhaps more so considering you have such little belief or faith(lol) in possibility. If you stare at an object the subatomic particles known as quarks contained within manifest in a unique orientation in contrast to it's state when not being observed. I consider the possibility that you might be a complete fool lashing out at ideas that although may be based on strange mythological origin could very much hold certain elements of scientific truth that has yet to be discovered by our still highly primitive race. For example, let's see your scientific proof that prayer has absolutely no positive influence on matter. Oh that's right there is only scientific proof to the contrary, and in fact even substantial proof in the Japanese study of water crystal technology. I'm not a religious person to any degree but I don't find myself going around denouncing an entire way of life merely because a few crack pots which their are many in all walks of life happen to misinterpret the positive aspects or extenuate the negative aspects. But alas this entire block of text will surely be wasted on such a closed minded perspective of a little man that was more than likely molested by some psychopathic member of the Catholic clergy as a child(at least in your mind). I'll be bookmarking this blog, so; feel free to extend the conversation as I'm highly interested in any provocative rebuttals.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

      "I enjoyed your numerous typo's and spelling mistakes."

      Good for you.

      "I enjoyed your numerous typo's and spelling mistakes."

      Good for you.

      "Perhaps you should gather some gusto behind your editing skills before you go out and attack the misguided hordes."

      Perhaps I should re-read my rants before hitting the publish button. So what? How does this detract from the message?

      "It isn't that your partial nihilism is completely illogical …"

      Sorry, what nihilism?

      "… but I'd suggest you examine the possibility that you too might be misguided based on recent historical happenstance."

      This ought to be good.

      "Consider the evolution of technology in just the past 50 years. I'm certain you'll find it to be a profound exponential acceleration compared to the previous 1000 or so years."

      Yes, what does this have to do with the pursuit of truth?

      "If you recall around an eon ago the general "scientific" consensus was of the world existing as a flat plane with an edge one could literally fall off of."

      Yep, and science corrected itself when we had a better understanding of reality. Or are you advocating we should stick with literal interpretations of some perfect, and inerrant holy text?

      "In my opinion you're just as misguided as any Christian or Scientologist perhaps more so considering you have such little belief or faith(lol) in possibility."

      I have plenty of belief and trust, but no faith. Unlike the religious, I am perfectly happy to change my mind on any point should the evidence present itself, or a cogent argument is made.

      "If you stare at an object the subatomic particles known as quarks contained within manifest in a unique orientation in contrast to it's state when not being observed."

      So?

      "I consider the possibility that you might be a complete fool lashing out at ideas that although may be based on strange mythological origin could very much hold certain elements of scientific truth that has yet to be discovered by our still highly primitive race."

      Again, should the evidence present itself I will shift my position. This is certainly not dogmatic and, I believe, a perfectly rational posture to take.

      "For example, let's see your scientific proof that prayer has absolutely no positive influence on matter."

      Look up the study funded by the Templeton Society – a religious organisation which fully expected a positive result. They got a result alright, but it was totally the opposite of what they were expecting. Those who knew they were being prayed for had *more* complications that the other groups. Utter failure. Next.

      "Oh that's right there is only scientific proof to the contrary, and in fact even substantial proof in the Japanese study of water crystal technology."

      Link to scientific study please?

      "I'm not a religious person to any degree but I don't find myself going around denouncing an entire way of life merely because a few crack pots which their are many in all walks of life happen to misinterpret the positive aspects or extenuate the negative aspects."

      There is nothing positive about basing you life and all its decisions on notions which cannot be demonstrated to be true. Sorry, that's the way it goes.

      "But alas this entire block of text will surely be wasted on such a closed minded perspective of a little man that was more than likely molested by some psychopathic member of the Catholic clergy as a child(at least in your mind)."

      I am not, nor have I ever been, Catholic, or been to a Catholic service, or been molested by anyone. Care to take another spin?

      "I'll be bookmarking this blog, so; feel free to extend the conversation as I'm highly interested in any provocative rebuttals"

      Glad to oblige.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/shanetuohy shanetuohy

      What I think the issue here is that, you see the stance that atheists take on matters of religion to be one of faith, when it is the opposite of. In the same way that bald is not a hair colour, atheists and scientists start from zero, and look at the evidence. We are not immediately biased towards one position or another, and if real, indisputable evidence were to emerge tomorrow about the existence of a God or Gods, all atheists would then accept that there is such a being.

      As it is, there is no compelling evidence for ANY god or gods, so, the position is to not believe in one. The same rings true of any scientific theory, like evolution or anything else. Right now, all the real, peer reviewed, accepted evidence supports evolution, but if a discovery were made to the contrary, the theory would need to be modified or changed.

      This, sadly is not the position of people who believe something on faith. They accept this position as true, and all evidence against it is ignored. Even as science has disproved the old, bronze age misconceptions of the world, like the sun revolving around the earth, 6 day creation etc, 'people of faith' still march on, believing what is illogical or plainly incorrect.

    • unix

      "I enjoyed your numerous typo's and spelling mistakes."

      Given the context of the above statement, I consider your misuse of the apostrophe in typos, quite ironic.


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