1.7 – We Have Earned Our Explicit Rating

The Godless Business crew gathered at the Godless Business Inc. Summer Beach Getaway Studio on Good Friday for the Godless Business Good Friday BBQ Special Podcast.  Good friends, good food, good times!  Massive prawns, lots of sausages, large cuts of steak, even some rabbit food and Andrew’s exceptional potato salad.

We downed a few beverages and headed into the studio, but God had seen us eating meat on the holiest of holy days, and heard us dissing Jesus, so took it upon himself to smite our recording with technical problems.

Either that, or it was just coincidence that we fucked up… ;)

Or we were too drunk…

Anyhow a quick regroup on Easter Tuesday at Club Ollie (Ollies very own porn style abode) saw a re-record which was not deemed smite-worthy and made it to hard-drive in a useable manner.

Here it is, enjoy.

Oh don’t forget its an Enhanced AAC, so remember when playing in iTunes or your iPod, you can click on the links as the show progresses, skip around the chapters and look at the pretty pictures. Aren’t I nice to you! (I spent the whole morning doing it so you better use it!)

Oh and by popular demand (well, one email…) the MP3 feed will be returning hopefully from next episode, so you will be able to choose between the two.

References

  • http://twitter.com/Cynskeptical @Cynskeptical

    Godless Biz Podcast 1.7 is out! So umm yeah err listen to it? http://www.godless.biz or via your subscription to us via iTunes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/GuinnessX David Ashton

    I just listened to the episode. When you were talking about Archbishop Jensen calling atheism a form of "idolatry" (basically calling atheism a religion) I believe it was Andrew who was trying to figure out what logical fallacy he was committing. There may be some equivocation going on, as was suggested, but I think the fallacy that fits best is "Tu Quoque," a variation of ad hominem meaning, "you too."

    Love the show. Keep up the good work.

    • http://www.facebook.com/anwyll David Gibson

      Yeah it is the technique of dragging your opponent down to your level in order to score points against their position (instead of building up your own).

      Reminds of the adage 'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'

    • askegg

      Ahh – thanks David.

      A long time ago I started to collate all logical fallacies including explanations and examples. I should try and finish the project.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Cynskeptical Cynskeptical

        Yup I am reading that list now. There are a LOT of them. Going to take a while for them all to sink in and also to know when they pop up and how to associate them easily.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/GodlessNige GodlessNige

    There is an article and chart in the Skeptics magazine (latest issue I think) that I was given at Skeptics in the Pub last week, I will show it to you.

  • Anonymous Atheist

    Please give us a @#$%(&* MP3 for this episode too! :( I'm tired of podcasts randomly putting up an episode without an MP3 for non-Apple listeners.

  • Anonymous Atheist

    PS: I noticed your References link to the oh-so-helpful prayer site ("They STILL have not sent my my Aston Martin and my cash…") is missing its "http://", so it ends up pointing to "http://www.godless.biz/2010/04/07/godless-business-podcast-1-7-we-have-earned-our-explicit-rating/www.prayforme.com.au" instead of http://www.prayforme.com.au ;)

    • http://www.godless.biz/ askegg

      Fixed. I am also exporting an MP3 version of this episode for you.

      • Anonymous Atheist

        Great, thanks! I've complained about that on several other podcasts' episodes recently, and they weren't as quick to respond. The extra features the m4a format can do are cool, but good old mp3s ensure universal accessibility. :)

  • FactoryGirl

    This will be my first comment to you guys, so Hey There, Been listening to your podcast over the last few days. Absolutely love it! I'm from the outer suburbs of Melbourne, so it's really nice to listen to fellow Australians. And fellow atheists :) I bet you get this alot Andrew but you sound so much like Garry Lyon from The footy Show, its crazy. Oliver voice is similar to a guy on one of the local radio shows I listen to here. It's highly unimportant but I found that interesting.

    1) In this episode you bought up David Thornes "The Easter Play permission slip" and said to look it up because its funny. I read it. You can tell its fake obviously and I agree it is kinda funny but I had some issues with it. Maybe I'm taking it too seriously I don't know.

    When Homosexuality first came out, and now with Asexuality. People would say "oh you must have been sexually abused, that's why your this way" or things of that nature. Saying if this hadn't have happened they would be heterosexual.

    While I was reading this email exchange, It reminded me of that. If this was a real email, do you not think the school Chaplin would start thinking this guy hates anything christian because he has had a few bad experiences and if only he had seen the right way of God he would still believe. For example in two email replies the father brings up something bad that happened, being in a play himself when he was little, where the other kids had diarrhea and another vomited and a christian neighbor wrestling him. Someone might look at that and say you had these negative experiences with faith at a young age, so now when you think of god it brings them back, and they way they were written would only back up that theory. I guess you could argue that they didn't happen he was just being sarcastic and using them as examples.

    It was also interesting to note how the Atheist is the one instating the exchange, usually atheists get messages back and forth from Christians telling them the word of God and its us going, I'm not going to waste my time, where in this email it was the opposite. I'd hope that there isn't anyone out there, no matter how much they want to that would write an email exchange to a christian along the lines of this one. While its funny, the tone used and they way he just keeps reply and trying to start a fight with the Chaplin makes atheists look bad as a whole whether we all do that or not.

  • FactoryGirl

    I think in any exchange with a christian we should be a civil as possible and not put them down for a cheap laugh. If the father was serious about his view he should have shown the Chaplin how he came to his view, using logic and truth not making it look like he was in a bad play at school and that's why he doesn't believe in God. Maybe if he had engaged in a adult discussion he could have helped changed the schools polices and at least let the kids get to go to science works or something fun another day.

    The email about Jesus resurrection and comparing it to his friend leaving the hospital without out telling him wasn't a very good example. If Jesus was really dead, by the doctors definition, then why would you tell them to just check his house to see if he had gone home. Would it be more likely someone opened the tomb and took him or something, if was dead and really walked out then is that kinda what a resurrection is. Or maybe I'm being too serious and the example David used was to show how stupid Christians are for believing that it really happened.

    Another thing I had a problem with was the fact he had access to the email address of the school Chaplin. maybe being 2010 schools work differently then when I was last at school 6 years ago, but that strikes me as odd anyhow.

    I feel like a twat for taking a fake email so seriously and dissecting what amounts to a silly joke for atheists to enjoy but try and imagine it was real for one moment and it doesn't seem so funny.

    2) When you were talking about the passion of the Christ in the episode in regards to what happened in geelong, I think you missed the point. If grown men of 60 were walking out of the cinema is was not because there christian, like you said in the podcast, but because they believe this is the TRUTH, that this is a historic event that really happened. You compared it to Jews watching a movie made about the holocaust and crying over that, I think anyone would cry over that regardless of there relgion becuase we know that it really happened and its horrible thing. Even athiests would be moved by a movie about that, ever seen Sophie's Choice?

    I don't think they're crying over this movie because their christian necessarily but because they feel this was a man just like them that had this happen to them in real life. They heard the story but seeing it played out so realistic in film makes them realize how horrible it would have been for this man. There viewing it as truth where as if they saw another graphic movie like Saw or something they might not walk out because while its not a pleasant movie to watch they can separate it as fiction and entertainment not truth like the Passion of The Christ. If that makes sense? (just to make it clear again, I'm an atheist, I know its not truth)

    cheers!


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