SRE on Trial

A group called “Youthworks” which touts itself as being “the major provider of Scripture resources and training of teachers for Anglican and Christian SRE in NSW State schools for many years” has thrown up a website to combat the trial of secular ethics in NSW classroom. They make a number of interesting and, in my opinion false, claims regarding the trial. Let’s have a look.

“…yet permission was specially granted for the teaching of Ethics – regardless of it being a non-religious subject.”

I agree. I do not think ethics and religion have anything to do with each other. I still fail to see why you would rather children learn NOTHING instead of sitting in an SRE class.

“At its core, the curriculum is founded on the works of secular humanist philosophers. While not overtly expressed as ‘secular humanism’, it is the basis of what is taught: a teaching built on the specific philosophy that is anti-God and therefore anti-Jesus Christ.”

Firstly, secular means “no comment”. A secular society is one in which the Government maintains a non-committal position with regards to religion. They do not promote any religious view nor suppress any, and they certainly do not promote one particular religious view over all others. Equality for ALL is exactly why the Government of a first world modern society must remain impartial to such matters of personal belief and opinion. To state that “secularism is specifically anti-god” shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the position.

secular |ˈsekyələr|adjective1 denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis : secular buildings | secular moral theory. Contrasted with sacred.

Moreover, you then overlay a massive logical leap from a god concept, to “anti-Jesus” as if the two are synonymous. While you may hold the belief that Jesus is Lord many others do not, and this shows your bias in presenting “Special Religious Education” to public school students. One might deduct that SRE is not multi-denominational or ecumenical at all, but a thinly veiled Christian indoctrination class.

“Yet the debate over religious education is also broader than just personal beliefs. It’s recognising that the true point of origin for Ethics in Australian society is founded on Judeo-Christian values. Values that have informed our Australian constitution and the legal, cultural and political development of this country. Ethics that have established our nation’s unique culture and that which Australians have long embraced and affirmed:”

Within the space of one paragraph you are contracting yourself – first you say ethics are not a religious subject, now you are saying the origin of Australian ethics are rooted in Judeo-Christian values (however you define them). In any case, it does not matter. What the founders of Australia enshrined in the Constitution was a secular society in which people of all religious persuasions or none at all could live in peace. Section 116 of our Constitution explicitly prohibits the Government from establishing a State religion, or suppressing any. That is what they left us with regardless of their motivations for doing so.

‘….Care for others like you would yourself; looking after the poor and underprivileged; going the extra mile for someone in need; not stealing; not murdering; it’s not right to take someone else’s wife or husband…’

A more interesting question might be to ask if such value systems can be built without referring to the supernatural in any way. This is the aim of secular ethics classes. If your hypothesis holds true, then no secular ethics class should be able to build a coherent ethical system without a deity. So what exactly are you afraid of? Is it possible that your religious teachings might be universally human in origin? Given almost every society in history as upheld teachings such as “looking after the poor and not stealing” it seems unlikely that Jesus is the prime cause.

Moreover, what about all the other ethical teachings in the Bible? Why has society moved on from burning witches, stoning homosexuals, adulterers, and those who work on the Sabbath, lifted the prohibitions on shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, and allowing women to speak in churches? Are we still required to sacrifice turtles when women menstruate? Should a rapist be forced to marry his victim? Should we punish non-virgins by stoning them to death on their wedding night? These are all teachings that come directly from “the good book”.

“Many of our Australian values, morals and ethics… have originated from the Bible and whether a person is Christian or not….”

And many have not. What’s your point?

“It’s more than SRE that’s on trial. If we lose Religious education, we risk losing true, fundamental ‘ethics’ that have underpinned Australia’s moral framework for hundreds of years.”

Sorry, I thought ethics was a “non-religious subject”?

“While we may not stop the official establishment of Ethics classes, as a non-religious subject, we can legally oppose it being taught during the same period as SRE”

Yes. It’s much better to teach kids nothing at all rather than subject them to the evils of religious indoctrination.

“ Should Ethics be ultimately approved as an SRE option, its objective is to not only remove Jesus Christ from the State school system, but from the consciousness and hearts of the next generation.”

I have an idea, in this multicultural tapestry in which we live, why not teach the religions of other Australians? If you absolutely insist on religion being taught during SRE sessions, then let’s expose children to Islam, Buddhism, Ayyavazhi, Scientology, Confucianism, Jainism, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism Ralienism, Bahá’í, Taoism, and others?

OR we can leave the entire matter to the individual and let them decide on their own. Just as our founders intended.

References

http://www.sreontrial.com.au/

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

    Although I have not researched the matter in great depth, I think you are correct. The Australian Constitution restricts the Federal Government from establishing a national religion, or prohibiting others. The States are pretty well free to do as they wish, but remain subservient to the Federal document. I know Tasmania's Constitution basically reflects the Commonwealths, but I cannot speak for other States. I do not think Tasmania has SRE class either.

    Of course, our Federation continues to show its fragmented heritage. Each State has it's own road laws, OHS laws, Acts, Regulations, etc. We are not really a country, but a collection of smaller ones which have agreed to co-operate where it's beneficial to do so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anwyll David Gibson

    One small detail which isn't clear is how you used section 116 of our federal constitution. Specifically our Constitution dictates the Commonwealth cannot establish a state religion, it is silent on the capacity of whether a State can and I'm not sure what the NSW constitution says… I'd suspect it says very little or explicitly allows such activities given the history of NSW allowing SRE in public schools. In the past the High Court has interpretted this section very narrowly, notably when it struck down a challenge to the Commonwealth funding religious schools, it basically said unless the Commonwealth explicitly supports a specific religion this article is not broken (hence the school chaplaincy program among other things).

    This is a major flaw in our federal constitution and reveals our fragmented past where each colony was allowed to more or less govern themselves and the original Commonwealth of Australia was in fact a very limited government. Over time the federal government has clawed away various powers (mostly in health). I've been told Victoria also has some form of SRE in public school, not sure if this is true (haven't check it out myself) contrary to WA which has no such curriculum within it's public school system.

    Despite this one thing I thought you hit every point I would.

  • http://www.lyvvielimelight.blogspot.com Lyvvie

    "Moreover, you then overlay a massive logical leap from a god concept, to “anti-Jesus” as if the two are synonymous."

    That's the part that annoyed me the most. I made a post about it by saying, just because I prefer my cocoa without marshmallows, doesn't make me anti-marshmallow.

    They are being highly reactive and manipulating language in a way to stir up indignation where none is required.

  • seemack

    As far as defining secular[ism], I like this

    Secularism has been variously defined as 'promoting neutrality/fairness in the public square', 'managing a society of diverse beliefs', 'separating governance from religion', 'a regime of religious regulation', 'opposition to religious or spiritual influences' and 'eliminating religion from politics and society'. The first three are what could be described as 'pluralist' conceptions, the latter three 'eliminative'.

    from http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/4860

  • Kerry JONES

    When our Federal Constitution was written in 1901 the restriction on promoting one "religion" over another would have been referring to promoting one Christian "denomination " over another. The constitution was written at a time when SRE would have been presumed to be Christian and when any ethical teaching our children were taught was based on the Bibles teaching.

    When immigrants come to Australia to join our way of life, many of the freedoms we enjoy (including religious freedom) are due to the constitution having been based on a society where we value Christian SRE being taught in schools.

    • askegg

      That's the same old tired argument I have heard many times from right wing Christian fundamentalist nut bags in America, and it's just as ridiculous.

      Which version of Christianity do you want your kids to learn? Is it alright is a baptist minister teaches them the "right way" to read the Bible, or should we have Pentecostals speaking in tongues, drinking poison, and handling snakes? Should we teach the guilt and hellfire of Catholicism, or the Young Earth "science" of evangelicals?

      ALL of these groups claim to be Christian and use the Bible as their central authoritative text. Imposing one over another on anyone is presumptive and unfair, just as imposing Christianity itself over others religions are. By exactly the same arguments we should either allow all versions of Christianity and other relgions in a fair and balanced manner, or stay away from the entire mess altogether. I know which one is both practical, feasible, and achievable.

  • Anna

    Chrisitans are not given the right to Christianise every kid in the school, they are given the right to teach "their own" broken down futher, baptists can supply a teacher to teach "their own" and pentecostals and so on. Muslims, Hindus and any religion or denomination of other religions has the same right. You can chose which class your child goes to, rotate if you want, so long as the child is their to learn. It is up to the local community to provide those options.

  • Anna

    Who is proposed to teach this new ethics course? I don't want volunteers from the community. I don't want to waste my children's school learning time, they are here to learn to read and write and do maths. School is not where children should learn ethics. And what if we don't agree that our kids are getting taught fair ethics?

    If the Dept of Education establishes a curriculum which is provided by our professional teachers, can't we still provide SRE within the guidelines we have now, with the existing or better, equal opportunity to all religions and opportunity to sit out if parents are anti religion.

    Further to requests last year from our school council, it was stated our school can't be expected to teach good manners.

    Yes, our kids all need ethics. But they also need religion.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/askegg askegg

      The secular ethics trial have been put together by St. James Ethics Centre (oh the irony of the name), but I doubt the exact qualifications of those presenting the courses has been determined. Of course, one might ask what qualifications the religious groups have.

      I do not see why children cannot be taught various systems of ethics at school. Seems like a good idea to me, and certainly a refreshing change from the usual dry subjects.

      I DO disagree that we can be fair to all the worlds religions. There are simply too many to cover with wildly different belief structures, and ethics systems. I think it's best to leave the entire mess alone and let the parents indoctrinate their kids into whatever mystical crap they want. I agree that kids need ethical systems, but give me one good reason why anyone needs religion.

      Oh – and just because someone opts out of a subject does not mean they are against it. There is a big difference between atheist and anti-theist (for example). I happen to be both.

  • rachel

    couldnt be more true.

  • Helen

    But your kids are not learning to read and write and do maths during this time. They (or rather you) have the choice to do SRE or nothing. If the ethics classes go ahead, you will still be allowed to send your kids to SRE if you wish. Why do you insist on dictating what my child should do? My child should not be doing nothing in school and certainly not because you don't want him to. My child does not need religion. He is kind, considerate and at the tender age of 5 has already organised and held an event which raised over $100 for charity.
    Do what you want with your child, leave mine alone.


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