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Abortion is an unpleasant business. It’s tragic, messy, traumatising, and unfortunately necessary in some circumstances. Emotions run especially deep in the case of late term abortions since the loss of potential is almost tangible. This is what makes the Kermit Gosnell case so shocking.

For those who may not know, Kermit Gosnell was recently sentenced to life imprisonment of first degree murder over the deaths of three babies and count of involuntary manslaughter for the death of a woman.

To me this is a case of the justice system working. Here is a man who did not just perform abortions – he coldly killed babies who survived the abortion procedure. It is this distinction which landed Gosnell is prison for the remainder of his days.

In response to the announcement of the Gosnell case, the Australian Christian Lobby issued a press release:

MEDIA RELEASE

Thursday, 16th May, 2013

The Australian Christian Lobby is calling for investigations into babies being left to die after being born alive following failed late term abortions.

The call comes as US abortionist Kermit Gosnell was given life in prison after being found guilty of murdering three babies who survived abortion attempts.

ACL spokesperson Wendy Francis said Dr Gosnell was convicted of three counts of first-degree murder, as well as over 200 violations of Pennsylvania’s abortion laws, including the performance of late-term abortions.

“Dr Gosnell’s case has shocked people worldwide on both sides of the abortion debate,” Mrs Francis said. “The level of brutality involved is unfathomable, with eyewitness accounts of babies who were born alive crying in pain before having their spines snipped with scissors.”

Although this is an extreme case, Mrs Francis says the barbaric treatment of babies born alive after failed abortions is happening in our own country.

“There was the infamous 1998 case in Darwin, when baby Jessica Jane was born alive at about 22-24 weeks after a failed abortion and left to die after crying alone for 80 minutes,” she said.

“The most recent Annual Report of Victoria’s Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality and Morbidity shows that, of a total of 196 post-20 week abortions performed for ‘congenital abnormality’, 42 of the babies died after birth,” Mrs Francis said. “Even before the 2008 liberalisation of abortion laws, in 2007 there were 52 neonatal deaths out of 181 post-20 week abortions for ‘abnormalities’.”

“The appalling case of Kermit Gosnell should awaken Australians to the fact that the same horrors are happening under our own noses,” said Mrs Francis. “Late-term abortions are failing, and babies are being left alone to die even when they could be saved.”

“The circumstances of these cases in Australia must be investigated, and we must ensure that this practice is not more widespread,” Mrs Francis said.

Wendy Francis rightly points out that the Gosnell case shocked “both sides” of the debate, but tragically gets almost everything else wrong.

Unfortunately for Wendy Francis I looked up and read the 1998 Jessica Jane case. You can too since the Corner’s findings can be found here.

“The procedure was necessitated, in the opinion of Dr Cho, by concerns for the mother and not because of any foetal abnormalities.”page 5, Inquest into the death of Jessica Jane [2000] NTMC 37

The case involves a women who found herself in the tragic situation of having to terminate her pregnancy. However, after the procedure was complete the nurse was shocked to hear the baby cry. This is where Wendy’s account of things goes badly off the rails.

Rather than leave the baby to die “crying alone for 80 minutes” the nurse wrapped her in a blanket, tried to raise assistance (it was 4AM), attended to the mother who was experiencing further difficulty, and checked on the baby every 10 to 15 minutes.

“I could not just leave it like we do with some, in a kidney dish, and I put it into a warm rug and put a drape over the top of it so at least it was warm. During all this time I’d been back and checked it about every 10, 15 minutes.”page 7, Inquest into the death of Jessica Jane [2000] NTMC 37

Wendy Francis says:

“Late-term abortions are failing, and babies are being left alone to die even when they could be saved.”

However, the corner’s report Wendy references says the complete opposite.

“The evidence established that the deceased was fully born in a living state. In the 80 minutes of her life she had a separate and independent existence to her mother.” – page 20, Inquest into the death of Jessica Jane [2000] NTMC 37

Here the Corner is stating that Jessica was an independent person capable of living separate from here mother, but he goes further:

“In my view, the fact that her birth was unexpected and not the desired outcome of the medical procedure, should not result in her, and babies like her, being perceived as anything less than a complete human being.”page 20, Inquest into the death of Jessica Jane [2000] NTMC 37

Since the foetus survived the abortion procedure (and is clearly capable of living independently) we should treat her as a full human being.

The report continues:

“The deceased having been born alive deserved all the dignity, respect and value that our society places on human life.”page 20, Inquest into the death of Jessica Jane [2000] NTMC 37

So here we have the Corner saying that babies born from failed abortions should be treated as full human beings with all the rights, dignity, care, and respect that we would give to any other person. The circumstances of their life make no difference in these cases.

If the findings of the coronial inquest are followed, and the tireless doctors and nurses are living up to their humanitarian pledge, the 42 babies which died after birth where given every possible chance to live. This is a much different picture to Wendy’s cries of “babies being left alone to die even when they could be saved.”

Continuing my twitter review of “The Bible” which is currently airing on the History Channel (of all places). Parts 1 and 2 can be found here.

  • #TheBible recap: People taking to themselves, wandering around lost, ninja angels, and a metric shit tonne of smiting.
  • Abraham has been promised “descendants as numerous as the stars”. A logistical nightmare given the size of Earth. #TheBible
  • Forty years on, Joshua is talking to a box. #TheBible
  • 3:40 Joshua is whipping his troops into a frenzy of genocide to rid the promised land of god’s precious creations. #TheBible
  • 4:00 Jericho is between Joshua and the promised land. Rather than walk around, he will act as a Biblical Vogon. #TheBible
  • 5:30 The old lady spots the Israelite ninjas, who look just like everyone else. #TheBible
  • 5:53 First fight. About freaking time. #TheBible
  • 6:17 Israelite ninjas have slaughtered peaceful Jericho citizens defending their homes. #TheBible
  • 7:58 The ninjas hold a knife to a mother and her son. 30 seconds later she is stalling the police so they can get away. #TheBible
  • 8:15 Ninja try to save the woman. Love happens quick around here. #TheBible
  • 9:00 Joshua says god is with them but they still have to do all the work #TheBible
  • 10:00 Joshua meets the commander of the Lord’s Army. Not sure why he needs one. #TheBible
  • 10:42 Commander angel splits the ground with his sword and tells Joshua to march around the city. Solid battle plan. #TheBible
  • 10:45 It does not occur to Joshua that if he can walk *around* the city, he can walk *past* the city. #TheBible
  • 11:45 Yahweh makes them march around for a week, blow trumpets, and shout before he will bother helping. #TheBible
  • 13:30 There is a great massacre. Have they actually read the tablets in the ark? #TheBible
  • I mean, they carry that thing everywhere. Surely someone has read the commandments? #TheBible
  • 14:50 Voiceover guy fast forwards 100 years. The 12 tribes of Israel are all over the map. #TheBible
  • 15:50 Here come the Judges. The most well known are Judy, Dredd, and Samsonite. #TheBible
  • 17:30 Samsonite was a virgin birth. And a big black guy. #TheBible
  • 19:00 Samson’s wife to burnt alive for the crime of falling in love with the wrong tribe. And I thought my in-laws were bad. #TheBible
  • 20:00 Hercules kills everyone. #TheBible
  • 26:48 Samson has the jawbone of an ass, but don’t tell him that. #TheBible
  • 29:00 Delilah meets Samson when he’s covered in blood carrying the jawbone of an ass. She is aroused. #TheBible
  • 32:20 Samson gives away his Achilles heel. #TheBible
  • 35:30 Samon’s magic hair is gone. He’s blinded. Great plan there, Yahweh. #TheBible
  • 37:00 Samson gets his Neo powers on. #TheBible
  • 39:00 Voiceover guys says “Samson sacrifice kills thousands”. Guess he’s in Hell now. #TheBible
  • 41:00 All Kings are bad unless their chosen by god. Ergo, all bad Kings were not chosen by god. Simple. #TheBible
  • 42:30 Enter the good King David, who’s introduced slaughtering some campers. #TheBible
  • 43:20 “You had one task” #TheBible
  • 43:30 Samuel is pissed Saul didn’t kill absolutely everything as instructed. #TheBible
  • 44:10 The prophet tells the King god has forsaken him. Power struggle much? #TheBible
  • 46:10 David kills a hungry dog in cold blood. #TheBible
  • 51:30 David climbs the beanstalk and cuts the head off the giant. #TheBible
  • 54:30 Saul offers David his daughter as a reward for so much bloodshed. No, she doesn’t get a say. #TheBible
  • 55:00 But first David has to kill 100 Philistines. #TheBible
  • 56:55 David returns with a bag full of dicks. #TheBible
  • 65:00 Saul refuses to die. The plot has slowed to a crawl. Should have left these scenes on the cutting room floor. #TheBible
  • 66:30 Saul finally kills himself. Useless character. Went nowhere. #TheBible
  • 67:00 The new King David picks Jerusalem as his capital. It does not occur to him it’s already inhabited. #TheBible
  • 69:00 King David breaks the Monty Python rule for Kings by performing a reverse Shawshack Redemption. #TheBible
  • 70:10 They better hurry, there’s a Roman feast on soon.
  • 71:40 More killing. It’s getting a little boring now. #TheBible
  • 75:00 The priest says god has told him David’s line will rule Israel forever. Doesn’t seem to have panned out that way. #TheBible
  • 77:00 David sleeps with Bathsheba, thus breaking a commandment, and dooming the entire civilisation. God takes this seriously.
  • 80:00 Yahweh takes David’s innocent baby son as payment for his adultery. Harsh, but fair. #TheBible
  • That’s the end of #TheBible parts 3 and 4.
  • Next time on #TheBible: Foreign idols, a Babylonian disaster, the sacking of Jerusalem, and Steve Jobs says “Change the World”.

Some of you may have heard of the Bible.  Fewer still may realise the History Channel aired a dramatisation of this holy text.  In the name of science I obtained a copy of this epic series and began tweeting my observations. @markybob00 thought it might be a good idea to keep these in an archive somewhere, so here it is.  however, I am not sure how useful it might be without the video playing – perhaps as useful as it is on Twitter?  Ha ha.

  • 3:46 Minutes in and every living thing has been drowned by a vengeful god. #TheBible
  • 4:00 Why is Noah Scottish? #TheBible
  • 4:41 “Sorry everyone is dead. Here’s a rainbow.” – God #TheBible
  • 5:00 The water subsides. To where, no one knows. #TheBible
  • 5:20 Abraham rips off Steve Jobs “Change the world” #TheBible
  • 6:30 Abraham is tripping on the mountain. Imagines he heard a “god”. #TheBible
  • 6:49 God tells Abraham to kick those fuckers off his land and take it for himself. The first Crusade. #TheBible
  • 7:40 Abraham’s family think he’s a crackpot. They may be onto something. #TheBible
  • 9:30 A fight breaks out. No one murdered even though god hasn’t told them killing is wrong yet. #TheBible


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Over at Conversion Points Radio Jared Orme presents his argument for how atheism has logically resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people under the totalitarian regimes of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. Unfortunately for Jared he opens his argument with the statement:

“These historians put the problem squarely upon the same ideology as that of Lenin …”Jared Orme

I suppose we should stop here since the deaths under Lenin were based on his ideology, not the disbelief in god concepts. I have heard it argued that totalitarian dictators like those listed above saw the authority of the church as a threat to their own perverse lust for power.

After all, the faithful do not answer to the temporal authority of the dictator, but to a higher power. In order to retain their vice like grip of power over the people these power mad megalomaniacs sought to remove god , only to replace it with themselves. It’s not the lack of a belief which lead to genocides, but their insane lust for power. Dissidents were dealt with in the most sever manner, much as a god does if you disagree with its absolute command. In this way the governmental systems they devised were much like religion’s.
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Hamza Andreas Tzortzis recently debated Lawrence Krauss on the topic “Islam or Atheism“; you know, the one which resulted in the University College London banning the hard-line Islamic group due to gender segregation.  During this debate Hamza asked Krauss the question:

“Why is incest wrong?” Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

According to early reports Lawrence Krauss responding by saying it was “not wrong, so long as the participants use a condom”, which resulted in an explosion of Muslims holding this statement up as a clear example of atheism’s total lack of a moral compass.  It also let many others scratching their heads wondering if Krauss actually said this, or what his justification for doing so was.  Some even used these events to claim Krauss and “his blind followers” where using these events to obfuscate fact he lost the debate
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Hamza Andreas Tzortzis debated Lawrence Krauss last night on the topic “Islam or Atheism”, which was hosted by an organisation calling itself “The Big Debates“. While the video of the event is not yet publish, Hamza has posted some of his thoughts on the exchange on Facebook. Below is my reply to Hamza’s main points, but you can read Hamza’s entire post here.

1. “..because in absence of the Divine you can’t have objective moral truths.”

Objective existence does not rely on another entity, for if they do they are contingent. Since religious “objective morality” relies on the existence of their deity, it is in fact not objective at all. If morality comes from a mind (even the mind of a god) then it is subjective by definition. Moreover, we can judge the impact of actions based on religious pronouncements to determine their morality. No appeal to the supernatural is required.
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Wendy Francis on late term abortions

Abortion is an unpleasant business. It’s tragic, messy, traumatising, and unfortunately necessary in some circumstances. Emotions run especially deep in the case of late term abortions since the loss of potential is almost tangible. This is what makes the Kermit Gosnell case so shocking. For those who may not know, Kermit Gosnell was recently sentenced

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The Bible – Parts 3 and 4

Continuing my twitter review of “The Bible” which is currently airing on the History Channel (of all places). Parts 1 and 2 can be found here. #TheBible recap: People taking to themselves, wandering around lost, ninja angels, and a metric shit tonne of smiting. Abraham has been promised “descendants as numerous as the stars”. A

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The Bible – Parts 1 and 2

Some of you may have heard of the Bible.  Fewer still may realise the History Channel aired a dramatisation of this holy text.  In the name of science I obtained a copy of this epic series and began tweeting my observations. @markybob00 thought it might be a good idea to keep these in an archive somewhere,

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Atheism murdered over 100 million

Over at Conversion Points Radio Jared Orme presents his argument for how atheism has logically resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people under the totalitarian regimes of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. Unfortunately for Jared he opens his argument with the statement: “These historians put the problem squarely upon the same ideology

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On the 17 June 2012 I took part in a radio interview with Jared Orme (@conversionradio) of “Conversion Radio” in Minnisota regarding the contingency argument. The invitation was a response to my blog post and twitter conversation with Jared regarding apparent flaws I saw in the argument proposed, so he invited me onto his show for a chat.

I am told this interview went to air sometime later, however due to technical error Jared had lost the original record. I present it here unedited, although I did remove the pre and post chatter and some minor stuff in the middle where advertisements would have been placed. Listening back, there are points I wish I had communicated better and some I should have attacked much more forcefully. Oh well, maybe next time?

Please note there were some problems with the recording on my end as the Skype plugin I used did not seem to capture my microphone. In order to compensate I have compressed the recording, which gives it a rather loud flat sound. I am afraid this was the best I could do with the time, knowledge, and resources at my disposal.